this post is only for definedelirium. I have yet to make a reply to vamdubistaaa
my point is this - the abovementioned arguments are not the teachings of the church, but they are arguments that are used by the Church. mayroon tayong clear-cut distinction between doctrine on the one hand, and arguments based on the findings of science and other human fields of knowledge like statistic, economics, sociology. however, these findings show that the doctrines of the church (independent of scientific findings) are still relevant for today. and in fact, these doctrines are are made more relevant by these findings.
one example is the notion of demographic winter. the church just says its stand on pro-life isses, which is, promote life and eradicate the culture of death, because, let's face it, according to the church, utos yan ng Diyos. Simple child-like minds will acquiesce. However, the world is full of skeptics, so they need proofs to show why the culture of death is bad for human beings, and not just because God says it's bad. that's where the work of philosophers enters the picture.
The demographic winter that the developed world is experiencing right now is directly due to abortion and birth control. It's not just Catholics who are saying this. Even secular writers are talking about the world's greying and diminishing population even without invoking the name of God.
"Business will have to learn how to manage an ageing workforce"
http://www.economist.com/node/15450864"How China might look if the one-child policy were strictly enforced"
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/chinas-one-child-policyYou know what's paradoxical about China's one-child policy? This policy has led to a gender ratio of 18 males per 1 female, in some Chinese provinces, it is as high as 30 males per 1 female. Ironically, this gender imbalance has bred a more pervasive prostitution, especially in the areas where there are 30 males to 1 female. Why has prostitution on the rise? It's because women are more scarce, and so those who can afford them are hoarding them like there's no tomorrow. Prostitution has become a more lucrative business because of the very scarcity of women.
Let me ask you, what country in the world has the highest rate of feminine infant mortality? China. Yet China, more than any other nation, has the most progressive of all family planning methods. Not only is family planning enouraged, it is also enforced.
http://www.economist.com/node/15606229"Killed, aborted or neglected, at least 100m girls have disappeared—and the number is rising"
Simple lang turo ng Simbahan - promote life because God says it.
The findings of science, independent of God, surprisingly buttress the stand of the Church without being self-conscious of it. Here are the facts, and the facts are not good. It is even worse for the plight of women.
Second, don't put words into my mouth such as implying that I am condemning the pro-RH bill people to hell. As a matter of fact, all my arguments are based on the findings of social science and economics, and not "because God says so". That is why i am not arguing from the scriptures, or from the catechism of the catholic church. as a matter of fact, my number one source is The Economist, a weekly British journal on geopolitics and political economy. (Php 350 per issue yan sa pinas)
your error seems to conflate the words 'Catholic' and 'conservative'. the two words are vastly different. therefore, it does not follow that just because I am pushing for a conservative agenda, I am already pushing for a Catholic agenda. Mayroong tayong tinatawag na 'unwarranted leap' from one premise to the next.
the result of this conflation is whenever I utter my opposition to the RH bill, you automatically think "oh it's because he's catholic." That reason is just as absurd as saying I hate chinese food because im not chinese.
last but not the least, the facts are there - we are the 17th best place for women. whatever that means, I only know one thing - we are ahead of 147 countries in terms of how women are treated. Baka naman kasi hindi ka pa nakakapunta sa mga lugar na may state-sponsored birth control (or what I call social engineering) like China, or even Mexico kaya ganun. I have ,and stuff over there is not looking good
if that is true bakit hindi pa rin makadecide ang babae sa pilipinas sa kung anong klaseng contraception ang gusto nilang gamitin.
three questions.
1) are you in the philippines?
2) are you a woman?
3) does the government or the church impede you from accessing birth control paraphernalia when you go to Watson's, or Mercury Drug?
when was it wrong for a woman to have sex with a person she is not married to? when was it a crime to choose a career over raising a family?
Appeal to emotions ulit etong argument na ito. Pinag uusapan naten yung RH bill and why I believe it is inimical to moral, economic and national development. Over the course of this argument, I have also presented counter-arguments against the two most common reasons why the philippines in under-developed 1) over population 2) repressive Catholic Church. I have also proven that these two reasons are groundless. And I stop there, unless you can give me another reason. Oh yeah, "women's liberation"
Words like "crime", "inhumane" are used to emotionally rev up our readers to provoke outrage and disgust. No wonder madami kumakampi sayo. once nakita nila na Church = dogma = close minded, of course talo na. You're not doing a good job in explaining your position by appeal to emotion. You are just explaining away the opposition.
ang essence ba ng babae ay nakasalalay sa kakayahan niyang manganak at magpalaki ng anak?
Ang position ko dito is this: there is something very wrong about the women' liberation movement. In theory, it's supposed to liberate women from the shackles of tradition and conformity. Reality, however, slaps the ideals of the Women's Lib in the face.
After 1960's, the invention of the morning-after pill has afforded women so many options in life. Indeed, it has liberated Woman from the shackles of the home, and from the rigidity of convention. The question to ask now is this: in absolute terms, is the plight of Woman any better than before? I don't think so. slavery, sex trafficking, abortion still exist today as it has existed before the 60's. What did change, however, was the increase in the numbers of women being subjugated by a world dominated by men.
I'm not arguing that the essence of Woman is merely to stay at home, nurse the child and wait for the bread-winner come dinner time. Woman can do whatever she wants, just as Man can do whatever he wants. Afterall, ang commonality natin is our intellect and free-will.
What I'm arguing though, is the result of the Women's Lib Movement. Has this changed the plight of Woman in absolute terms? I argue that no, it has not changed Woman's plight in absolute terms. As a matter of fact, the Women's Lib gave men more options and more reasons to exploit Woman, for the simple reason that it has become so much easier for us to do so, thanks to the Morning-after Pill.
