Is it really true that the Catholic Church is against Science and knowledge?

[pach]

this is an interesting question.

thoughts on this, anyone?

Especially from our atheist, deist, pantheist brothers and sisters?

[Hanzo23]

^^
Its funny that you start off threads like this with leading questions 

[carmelalalala]

nope, thats not true at all. hindi naman sa opposed or whatnot, its more when scientists twist stuff around. Like for example, to have sexual freedom, people are willing to invent birth control pills and condoms, even to the extent na they'll research about abortion. In all means na researching for medicine to help other people, the church encourages that.. bakit naman hindi diba, its for the sake of our mankind.

In fact, the earliest scientists like Aristotle are Catholic, and they used science to see how complex God's works are, to know more about it and appreciate it!

Science should be looked at as seeing God's perspective in a very concrete and complex matter. It shouldn't be used as a way to escape our "problems" and to make us sin.


Here's an article about the pope's view on science 

http://catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=38938

[ayrhiz27]

I've read that the Church is guilty of this. The story is quite complex, I myself could not really digest it. But then again, I'm not saying that I agree with the author who wrote that. He stated a lot of questions, things to ponder on and statements that could really twist your faith. History has a lot of secrets from those scientists (how they play with those symbols, tunnels, dungeons, secrets, brotherhood) we do not know. What I don't like about the Church is their act of engaging in politics.

[kends]

i don't think so. they are not AGAINST :]
iba lang talaga ang paniniwala ng simbahan. Legal VS moral in other words but they never oppose each other :>

[Calicoast]

I've read that the Church is guilty of this. The story is quite complex, I myself could not really digest it. But then again, I'm not saying that I agree with the author who wrote that. He stated a lot of questions, things to ponder on and statements that could really twist your faith. History has a lot of secrets from those scientists (how they play with those symbols, tunnels, dungeons, secrets, brotherhood) we do not know. What I don't like about the Church is their act of engaging in politics.

Which church? So far, every "church" seem to engage in politics. INC "endorses" and block votes politicians (even if their members want to votes other candidates), the Catholic church always has an opinion and engages in street protests. The Taliban and Al-Qaeda use religion for their political purposes...

Why single out the Catholic Church?

Now, I ask you this question. Was the POLITICAL INTERVENTION of the CATHOLIC church in EDSA 1 and 2 a bad thing or a good thing?

[justin bieber]

I've heard that some stories in the Bible are just fictional

[Hanzo23]

I've heard that some stories in the Bible are just fictional

talking snakes, parting a body of water, walking on water, a human being turning into a pillar of salt, turning water into wine, turning river into blood, resurrecting the dead............ seriously?

More like superstition than scientific.

[TwilightZone817]

Which church? So far, every "church" seem to engage in politics. INC "endorses" and block votes politicians (even if their members want to votes other candidates), the Catholic church always has an opinion and engages in street protests. The Taliban and Al-Qaeda use religion for their political purposes...

Why single out the Catholic Church?

Now, I ask you this question. Was the POLITICAL INTERVENTION of the CATHOLIC church in EDSA 1 and 2 a bad thing or a good thing?

Relax!  Hahaha.
Patungkol sa katoliko ang thread na to kaya akala mo lang na nisi-single out niya ang Simbahang Katolika.

Kung ako tatanungin kung mabuti o masama ang EDSA Revolt 1 and 2?
Sa una maganda pero nung tumagal nawala rin ang mahika at kagandahan nito. Mayorya ng epekto at resulta ng dalawang revolt ay MASAMA kundiman PANGIT~

[justin bieber]

talking snakes, parting a body of water, walking on water, a human being turning into a pillar of salt, turning water into wine, turning river into blood, resurrecting the dead............ seriously?

More like superstition than scientific.

Yeah.
So if it's that "superstitious", surely it shouldn't be the basis for politics and science right?
Science and religion is are two different things. Science is for everyone, religion is just for people who choose to. It's just about morals bro. (?)

[Hanzo23]

Yeah.
So if it's that "superstitious", surely it shouldn't be the basis for politics and science right?
Science and religion is are two different things. Science is for everyone, religion is just for people who choose to. It's just about morals bro. (?)

Morality in the Bible
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Stone unruly children to death, destroy villages and keep only the virgin women to yourselves, it is fine to beat your slaves as long as they recover in a few days, condoning killing of children (Psalm 137:9)....

Should I continue on?

If you take your morality from the bible in its truest (and unedited) form, you'll be surprised how much cruelty you'll find inside it. The bible condoned slavery, we abolished it as a society. That is already a step towards improvement of morality which we decided outside of the bible.

[reigimaigo]

Unless you live in Plato's time, No. As far as I know, the church only interferes when they believe that a certain political or scientific development tends to step on human rights and break the 10 Commandments of God.

" can't see how a person or group of persons be against science and knowledge

[PseudoWriter]

Last tuesday, I attended the baccalaureate mass of my brother. I heard to the Priest that before the hierarchy of studies, that Theology is the highest and the lowest is the study of the universe. Cause its always been God before the universe. However, because of industrialisation and modern tech, Theology became the last in the hierarchy.

So the Priest said that God created things and Science is there to support the faith. Now, if there are no Godly thoughts in an experiment, that experiment is created against God or anti-humane. I understan what he is saying. The creation of man-made things should also take into consideration what could harm to God's creation. Gets niyo ba?

[Hanzo23]

Cause its always been God before the universe.

This the assumption that most, if not all, Catholics and Christians assume. You have to remember that the burden of proof lies on those who make the claim.

So the Priest said that God created things and Science is there to support the faith.

Again, this is a misguiding statement. By the definition of the scientific method, you need to have an initial hypothesis and test it. Analyze the results and publish peer reviews for other scientists to analyze your claim.

By jumping to the conclusion ("Science supporting faith"), it completely negates the purpose of the scientific method altogether. Science must be neutral in order to figure out the facts. This is the reason why scientific knowledge is always changing. New ideas are tested. Science is driven by ideas, tests and data. Not by dogmatic tradition or faith.

Remember that the definition of faith is believing in something to be true or factual without any reasonable or substantial evidence to support it.

Now, if there are no Godly thoughts in an experiment, that experiment is created against God or anti-humane.

This is a subjective statement. Though there may be ethical issues in certain experiments (example: Nazi cold immersion experiment) The data obtained there gave understanding on the effects of hypothermia on the human body, the period of endurance which a human body can withstand cold temperatures before dying to hypothermia. Note that about 80% to 90% of the test subjects died in that experiment.

Where should you draw the line on ethical issues like these? how would you react as a scientist both objectively and morally if you know your test subject is likely (or needs ) to die in order to obtain the necessary data?

[hopia mani]

Morality in the Bible
---------------------------
Stone unruly children to death, destroy villages and keep only the virgin women to yourselves, it is fine to beat your slaves as long as they recover in a few days, condoning killing of children (Psalm 137:9)....

Should I continue on?

If you take your morality from the bible in its truest (and unedited) form, you'll be surprised how much cruelty you'll find inside it. The bible condoned slavery, we abolished it as a society. That is already a step towards improvement of morality which we decided outside of the bible.

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