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Maine is the most recent state to join California in the Ignorant Douchebags Club, celebrating bigotry, segregation, discrimination and hatred. 53% of its residents voted "NO" on legalizing gay marriage.

To me, this is more than a matter of being able to marry. It's a matter of CIVIL RIGHTS. Why is a basic civil right even being put up for discussion/vote? Disgusting.

No wonder people hate America.

I know that this is not local news, and some of you may not be able to relate to it, but let me pose a general question:

If you had to vote on gay marriage, would you vote YES or NO? Explain.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2009, 06:04:13 pm by baller_chic23 »

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Re: Epitome of Ignorance. What Would YOU Vote?
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2009, 06:56:41 pm »
I show my charity towards our LGBT brothers and sisters in a way that reflects the truth of their being - they are male and female designed to be together only with the opposite sex.

You and I, I'm sure we show our love for them, but we show them very differently. You show your love by way of tolerance, I show mine by way of truth and justice.

And what is so 'truthful and just' about banning same-sex marriage? It's precisely that the human family - which is the basic unit of society, of community -  cannot be put aright if it based on wrong principles.

It's alright to help gay people, it's alright to show them compassion and genuine love, but for this issue to touch a most sacred thing we call 'marriage' would demand that truth be sacrificed for convenience.

And I'm not all up for that.

It is precisely that love becomes more genuine when it chooses justice over permissiveness, truth over convenience

And so I vote "No", and it's because I want to safe guard human life and the family since they are the building blocks of a just world.

And personally, I find the best means of protecting these institutions through the Social Doctrines of the Catholic Church.

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Btw, what makes the people who voted No ignorant?

I could as well say people who voted yes just hitched the band wagon.

The plain fact is that there is something more to cultural relativism. Let's not limit our point of view to what is purely material.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2009, 07:30:43 pm by pach »

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Re: Epitome of Ignorance. What Would YOU Vote?
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2009, 07:48:14 pm »
ANd you know, this is democracy. yeah, people should loathe america for it.

my advice to them is to go to Iran, Oman, Yemen, North Korea, Libya, and do some gay rights rally over there.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2009, 07:54:35 pm by pach »

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Re: Epitome of Ignorance. What Would YOU Vote?
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2009, 09:30:57 pm »
I agree with pach. I am not condemning the dignity or humanity of gays because they were people too,with heart the same as me, but according to the Doctrines of Catholic Church... marriage of the same sex is definitely wrong.

God only created two kinds of individual in this world, a female and a male. People must understand that fact. So, I voted for "NO" also.
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Re: Epitome of Ignorance. What Would YOU Vote?
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2009, 12:15:18 am »
If I had to vote on gay marriage, I'd say NO. It messes the whole thing up for us humans. I guess it's not new if I say na, it's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Something like that. And the church doesn't even approve of it. Automatically, people wouldn't approve of it either. Would you rather spend your life getting trashed on and talked about negatively by people just because you MARRIED someone of the same sex as you. You're messing up your life kung gagawin mo yun. And hello, shame. I know most of you will say na, it's love. I say not. Because if you love that person, you wouldn't allow people to think ill of him/her or both of you for that matter.

I'm voting on GAY MARRIAGE, not gay relationships altogether. Personally, I've been in one and thinking of myself marrying someone of the same sex is, I think, very very selfish.

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Re: Epitome of Ignorance. What Would YOU Vote?
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2009, 02:48:26 am »
I vote YES!

we talk trash about other people, we think of other people negatively regardless of their sexual preference, social status, physical and mental attributes. So who am I to go in between other people's happiness? and I seriously pity those people who would spend their lifetime trash talking gay people.


Morally speaking, it is very wrong, coz Adam and Eve are supposed to be together, but in the end, will God or other religion's God, "judge" you for being gay?will you be rejected from "heaven" coz you loved and married someone from your own sex? I do believe in the end that my God will "judge" me based on the life that I lived, how I treated and valued other people, not in what I stand for.

and just what like baller_chic23 said, it's a matter of CIVIL RIGHTS, so if they are happy and inlove then be it, argue about immorality then stfu, everyone else is equally immoral in different ways..Human race is already "messed" up since Adam and Eve, it's all about you and your life in the end, not you and everyone else's.
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Re: Epitome of Ignorance. What Would YOU Vote?
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2009, 03:14:50 am »
It's not that the Church belittles them, but by saying the truth about human nature, even if it hurts to some people, is a reaffirmation of their dignity as human beings.

It is very fortunate, however, that homosexual tendencies and even repeated homosexual actions do not necessarily make a person become 'unchristian'. A person does not cease to become a Christian simply on the account of personal moral failure.

What is essential here is we recognize, even the most minute awareness, that what we are walking along the wrong path. And in so doing, we should search and continually search for what it takes to live a good life.

And no matter how far we have strayed, we can be assured that our genuine searching redeems us.

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Re: Epitome of Ignorance. What Would YOU Vote?
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2009, 05:30:18 pm »
I show my charity towards our LGBT brothers and sisters in a way that reflects the truth of their being - they are male and female designed to be together only with the opposite sex.

And who, pray tell, gets to decide this "truth of their being" and how they are "designed"
You and I, I'm sure we show our love for them, but we show them very differently. You show your love by way of tolerance, I show mine by way of truth and justice.

And what is so 'truthful and just' about banning same-sex marriage? It's precisely that the human family - which is the basic unit of society, of community -  cannot be put aright if it based on wrong principles.

LOOOOL! LOLOLOL! Oh my, thank you for making my week. That is by far, the funniest thing I've heard/read in a long time.

TRUTH and JUSTICE?? If you think that it's JUST that people who care deeply for each other cannot celebrate their love by getting married, then WOW. Wrong principles? It's only coming off as wrong because of, what, yes... you guessed it right: RELIGION.


It's alright to help gay people, it's alright to show them compassion and genuine love, but for this issue to touch a most sacred thing we call 'marriage' would demand that truth be sacrificed for convenience.

Really, what's so sacred about marriage anymore? Again, it's only SACRED to the eyes of religious nuts, but then again, what isn't? Lol.

It is precisely that love becomes more genuine when it chooses justice over permissiveness, truth over convenience

Again, there is nothing JUST or TRUE about discriminating against the gay community. To me, this whole thing sounds like GOD HATES GAY PEOPLE AND DOESN'T THINK THAT THEY DESERVE HAPPINESS IF HAPPINESS COMES FROM GETTING MARRIED. or GOD LOVES YOU, unless you're gay.

Yup, that sounds pretty much right.

And so I vote "No", and it's because I want to safe guard human life and the family since they are the building blocks of a just world.

And personally, I find the best means of protecting these institutions through the Social Doctrines of the Catholic Church.

LOL. A just world = discriminating against your "brothers and sisters" simply because they want to marry a person of the same gender? Yup... sounds like religious bull to me :)


Btw, what makes the people who voted No ignorant?

I could as well say people who voted yes just hitched the band wagon.

The plain fact is that there is something more to cultural relativism. Let's not limit our point of view to what is purely material.

It makes them ignorant because after all that the human race has accomplished, they still cannot get past their stupid prejudices. It's the year 2009 and we're still dealing with this kind of bs?

And what band wagon do you speak of? Oh you mean the people who voted YES FOR EQUALITY OF HUMAN RIGHTS? That one? Kay...

No, the plain fact is that a basic human right shouldn't even be put up for discussion. ESPECIALLY in a country like America. 
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Re: Epitome of Ignorance. What Would YOU Vote?
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2009, 05:31:44 pm »
ANd you know, this is democracy. yeah, people should loathe america for it.

my advice to them is to go to Iran, Oman, Yemen, North Korea, Libya, and do some gay rights rally over there.


I'd rather live in those places than be in a place full of ignorant, intolerant, and delusional people.

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Re: Epitome of Ignorance. What Would YOU Vote?
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2009, 05:34:46 pm »
I agree with pach. I am not condemning the dignity or humanity of gays because they were people too,with heart the same as me, but according to the Doctrines of Catholic Church... marriage of the same sex is definitely wrong.

God only created two kinds of individual in this world, a female and a male. People must understand that fact. So, I voted for "NO" also.

"according to the doctrines of the catholic church marriage of the same sex is wrong"

according to recent findings, not everybody believes in an invisible guy who lives somewhere in the sky who watches everything you do every single minute of every day.

"God only created two kinds of individual in this world, a female and a male. People must understand that fact."

That is not a fact, that is something derived from the bible--the worst source of historic facts.

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Re: Epitome of Ignorance. What Would YOU Vote?
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2009, 05:40:50 pm »
If I had to vote on gay marriage, I'd say NO. It messes the whole thing up for us humans. I guess it's not new if I say na, it's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Something like that. And the church doesn't even approve of it. Automatically, people wouldn't approve of it either.

In contrary, people who think for themselves (and not follow the church's teachings) are OKAY with gay people getting married. I think they realize that it doesnt affect them in any way, shape, or form.

Would you rather spend your life getting trashed on and talked about negatively by people just because you MARRIED someone of the same sex as you.

Well, what can I do? The church has that power on people.

You're messing up your life kung gagawin mo yun. And hello, shame. I know most of you will say na, it's love. I say not. Because if you love that person, you wouldn't allow people to think ill of him/her or both of you for that matter.

Oh.... so gay people who want to get married don't ACTUALLY love each other... ok, i get it now!! thanks!!

I'm voting on GAY MARRIAGE, not gay relationships altogether. Personally, I've been in one and thinking of myself marrying someone of the same sex is, I think, very very selfish.

selfish, yes. that's one word to describe them. stupid gay people for wanting to get married! who do they think they are? DID THEY ACTUALLY THINK THEY ARE EQUAL AS HUMAN BEINGS WHO ARE NORMAL AND DON'T WANT TO FORNICATE WITH A PERSON OF THE SAME SEX?? wow, retards!!

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Re: Epitome of Ignorance. What Would YOU Vote?
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2009, 05:42:28 pm »
Morally speaking, it is very wrong, coz Adam and Eve are supposed to be together, but in the end, will God or other religion's God, "judge" you for being gay?will you be rejected from "heaven" coz you loved and married someone from your own sex? I do believe in the end that my God will "judge" me based on the life that I lived, how I treated and valued other people, not in what I stand for.


Oh, but he will. Apparently.

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Re: Epitome of Ignorance. What Would YOU Vote?
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2009, 05:54:31 pm »
It is very fortunate, however, that homosexual tendencies and even repeated homosexual actions do not necessarily make a person become 'unchristian'. A person does not cease to become a Christian simply on the account of personal moral failure.

Oh wow thank jesus!

What is essential here is we recognize, even the most minute awareness, that what we are walking along the wrong path. And in so doing, we should search and continually search for what it takes to live a good life.

And no matter how far we have strayed, we can be assured that our genuine searching redeems us.


Alright, here's the thing:

I have a lot of respect for you Pach, not for your beliefs, but for your unrelenting faith in what you believe. I know that you're a hardcore Catholic, and you know that I despise religion and everything it stands for. We will never see eye to eye for as long as you and I live (even in the after life... if I turn out to be wrong about heaven ahahha) That's cool though, you do your thing, and Imma do mine and we'll happily co-exist.

I just wish the same concept applied in real life, to gay people in particular.




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Re: Epitome of Ignorance. What Would YOU Vote?
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2009, 04:37:06 am »
Oh, but he will. Apparently.

Whatevs.. the God I know will not "judge" me for standing for gay marriage, like I said it's how I lived my life and how I am towards other people.
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Re: Epitome of Ignorance. What Would YOU Vote?
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2009, 08:44:51 am »
Would you rather spend your life getting trashed on and talked about negatively by people just because you MARRIED someone of the same sex as you. You're messing up your life kung gagawin mo yun. And hello, shame. I know most of you will say na, it's love. I say not. Because if you love that person, you wouldn't allow people to think ill of him/her or both of you for that matter.


Haha. Oh myyy. LOL. That is a really stupid statement.


I vote Yes simply because I see nothing wrong with it.

 

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