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You know I shouldve posted this earlier but watching tonight's episode of The Correspondents gave me that unmistakable impetus to finally release this flood of frustration welling up inside me.

Basically we know na what happened to the country in the wake of Ondoy and Pepeng. It virtually put the heart of the country to a stand still. Not counting the human lives lost or psycho traumas involved, to lose 5? 6? 7 billion pesos worth of livelihood and agriculture is just you know, it should really push us to do something about our problem; a problem which can be ultimately traced to 3 factors (accdg to the program)


1.) Politicians

2.) Squatters

3.) Metro Manila's very poor urban planning

 For those people who blame God only or the squatters only, I'd have to say THEY'RE WRONG. DEAD WRONG AS A MATTER OF FACT.

personally, the first in the order of blame is the previous governments. As far as I know, aside from our city's having poor urban planning, the politicians who are supposed to implement and enforce the city plans didnt do so.

There is this one interviewee na tinanong ni Karen Davila about why everything has gone down to this and ang sabi nung guy, if my memory serves me right, the name is Nathaniel von Einsiedel, ang sabi nya "what is planned is not implemented and what is implemented is not part of the plan"

which is true.

personally, I put the politicians on the first order of blame

1) corruption (a given)

2) accdg to one of the interviewees, the terms of office of the politicians are too short to implement long-term solutions, and because of that, they think short-term too.

3) conservative when it comes to public works spending. sabi daw na there should've been such a thing called "Paranaque Spillway" in order to assuage the Pasig river whenver Laguna Bay floods but because the government became stingy, this so-called spill way never came to realization.

Second in the order of blame are the squatters - fine, they could forgiven for not having known beforehand that the place where they pitch their shacks stand on shaky ground.

but there are, i think, a number of reasons why ignorance can never be an excuse to sin.

1) yung pagtatapon nila ng basura along the rivers and water ways. salaula - this I think, is the perfect tagalog word to describe their dwellingplaces. the english word Filthy is even an understatement - it is sala-ula - basura nila yung bumabara sa mga spillways, floodgates o kung ano man na maglalabas ng baha papunta sa dagat. what should have otherwise been their sole consequence has been shared by others who through no fault of their own were victimized by their irresponsibility. needless to say, sila din ang nabiktima. yung basurang tinapon ay bumalik.

2) they use their votes as political leverage so the "public servants" could give in to their caprice.

3) they still arrive in hordes and hordes knowing full well that the city couldn't simply support a rapidly increasing bottom-heavy population.

Last but not the least, it's our poor Urban Planning daw. another interviewee says that the city model which Metro Manila used was Los Angeles. This is wrong daw because Los Angeles is a city designed for autos and not for pedestrians (unlike new york). inconvenient daw satin itong model na ito because Manila is basically a commuter city. there are enough people who own cars to cause traffic but paradoxically not enough cars to transport alot of people.

another was that some buildings are situated where they arent supposed to be, such as in areas that are labeled as danger zones, or areas that are supposed to be open-space/parks/fields etc.

dapat daw maraming reservoirs or lakes or trees within the city and the outlying areas surrounding manila. but no, look at the city right now - it's a concrete jungle - sobrang konti ng mga open space. kung meron man, it becomes a site of development or slums.

in otherwords, puro development and development and development na ang nagyayari, hindi na nagiging efficient yung mga waterways naten. nababara na ng basura at ng mga bagong buildings. at yung mga lugar na kung saan hindi dapat paglagyan ng mga gusali, nilalagyan because, perhaps, of bribery or of poor government overseeing.

practical points:

i believe this is the way to go in order to bring the city to a positive growth

1. congress should pass legislation that would put restrictions of suffrage (pagboto). only people who originally lived in an area are those who can vote. why is this a solution? because the squatters (who just migrated here) use their voting power to control the politician. saan kayo nakakita ng taong walang TIN, walang SSS, walang permanent address, walang NBI walang Birth Certificate pero mayong Voter's registration ID?  ;D

kaya tignan nyo, pagka hindi nabigyan ng donation or ng mga freebies, ang panlaban nila palagi ay "may boto din kami!"

what would be the effect of this?

well, the politicians will be forced-to-good do stuff that would really benefit society. hindi yung mag g-give in sila sa bawat luho ng mga 'voters' just to stay in power.

do these informal voters want long-term progress? no. what they want is short-term remedy. I'm sure about that.

2. extend the terms of office of politicians - masyadong short term yung kanilang term kaya ang iniisip nila yung panandaliang aliw (how to please their voters, how to give abuloy, how to donate waiting sheds and basketball courts what-fcking-not)

but if their terms of office are extendend, that's where they can think long-term na - how to strategically place vital infrastructure, etc etc

3. this is the view I share with the interviewees - there should be a central urban planning board. dapat iisang organization lang ang makakapag sabi kung ano yung DAPAT, SAPAT AT BAWAL na mga dapat pagtayuan ng gusali.

during the time of Marcos when Greater Manila was put under the governoship of Imelda, such a central urban planning board existed.

but during the time of cory, this organization was dissolved and power was decentralized to the local government units. what resulted was each mayor/councilor/congressman tried to destroy or discontinue the previous politician's works and tried to build a 'legacy' for himself until another election comes and a new politican comes and so forth and so on.


kaya dapat ibalik na ang rehimeng Marcos!

4.  tanggalin mga bobo tanga at ga.gong tao sa posisyon! yan yung katulad ng nila Gloria Arroyo, Mikey Arroyo etc dapat tanggalin yang mga puking inang yan!

a total restructuring of the government and the system! kung p-puwede, alisin ang demokrasya. freedom without responsibility is anarchy.

i, for one, am in favour of a government administered by a meritocracy and guided by a technocracy and ruled by a benevolent dictator

only those who are intellectual, who have skills and know-how, only those who are the brightest and the ambitious should rule - regardless of gender, religion, race or social status.

para nauuna muna yung kapakanan ng bayan, hindi lang ng isang specific sector of society. eh ang ngyayari satin puro nakatugon sila sa mga informal settlers. the result being that there arises a ''parasitical symbiosis" - the politician cannot live without the squatter and the squatter cannot live without the politician. paano, pareho silang naglolokohan ng isa't isa. they need to fool each other in order to survive.

5. dapat may domestic Visa, working visa o di kaya resident card ang sinumang magbabalak pumunta sa Kabisera ng Pilipinas. kung wala kang Visa or Resident card, bawal ang mag over-stay sa NCR for more than 1 month.

dapat may domestic/working visa din sa kani-kanilang lugar para doon lang sila nakatira. kung gusto nilang lumipat ng residency, they should back up their petition process by proof of tax payment, NBI clearance, statements of assets and liabilities at chaka viable reason for changing residences.

kung wala sila nun, kailangan may guarantor sila na taga NCR giving proof that they will not become a liability towards the government and the people residing in the Capital.  this is to ensure that no more informal settlers will put up homes along the river banks, wetlands, and other unauthorized areas in the city.


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teka, isasama ko na din ito

kaya I find no reason why we should blame God or his nonexistence for all the evil in the world.

kaya sa mga atheist na nagbabalak magpost sa thread ko, t*ng ina nyo nalang ..|..

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Re: Manila floods - who's to blame: Politicians? Squatters? ...or God?
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2009, 08:39:15 am »
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Re: Manila floods - who's to blame: Politicians? Squatters? ...or God?
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2009, 01:28:35 pm »
who's to blame?everyone of us, if we all should've been a lot more responsible


a. in voting our politicians,

b. putting garbages in their respective bins

c. being considerate with what nature had given us.


and the squatters too, i'm not being "mayabang" or "matapobre" but they should've stayed in their province.. kung hinde ka pulitiko o wala ka connection, HINDE KA YAYAMAN SA MAYNILA!



and personally, I don't think we should blame God for what had happened, coz if you think God is to blame then am gonna blame God too for making you part of the human race.
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Re: Manila floods - who's to blame: Politicians? Squatters? ...or God?
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2009, 02:07:09 pm »
Melanie, don't worry, i personally do not blame those who live in Canada  ;D
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Re: Manila floods - who's to blame: Politicians? Squatters? ...or God?
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2009, 02:32:36 pm »
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kaya sa mga atheist na nagbabalak magpost sa thread ko, t*ng ina nyo nalang ..|..

chill..hehehe..

hindi si GOD ang may gawa ng pagbaha..ang tao din
who to blame?

all of us-simpleng basura, tapon sa kalsada..lawak ng basurahan diba?kainis..one time may nakasakay akong babae sa bus, ordinary lang un kaya bukas ang bintana..ang ate umiinom ng samalamig nasa plastic cup, pagkatapos nya uminom, tapos sa labas..bongga diba?

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and the squatters too, i'm not being "mayabang" or "matapobre" but they should've stayed in their province.. kung hinde ka pulitiko o wala ka connection, HINDE KA YAYAMAN SA MAYNILA!

agree..at kapag pinaalis mo sila pa ang galit at matapang, like sa may tulyahan river, dinidemolish na ang mga squatter dun..may namatay, siguro nakipaglaban pa..ngayon humihingi ng katarungan..hay..

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Re: Manila floods - who's to blame: Politicians? Squatters? ...or God?
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2009, 10:53:40 pm »
Ok, I'm guilty. When I saw the flood events in the news I thought, "God, I thought you promised us you're not going to destroy mankind anymore (something about Noah's ark)."

Medyo na-immune na kasi ako sa kapalpakan ng government. *scolds myself*

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^^amen to that. kaso kasi ang mga tao, laging nagrereact. konting changes lang, may negative reactions agad.

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and the squatters too, i'm not being "mayabang" or "matapobre" but they should've stayed in their province.. kung hinde ka pulitiko o wala ka connection, HINDE KA YAYAMAN SA MAYNILA!
^^agree. kaso may friend ako from a distant province sabi niya, ganun daw talaga mentality sa kanila, na pag sa Maynila, uunlad ka.
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Re: Manila floods - who's to blame: Politicians? Squatters? ...or God?
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2009, 11:02:38 pm »
Sa tingin ko lahat tayo may kasalanan.Mayaman o mahirap pare-pareho lang na may kasalanan.Pag mahirap mga mayayaman sinisisi,pag mayaman naman mahihirap sinisisi.Kung walang masisi pati Diyos dinadamay,tao lang naman gumagawa ng sarili nating kapalaran binigay satin yung kalikasan pero nasa satin na yun kung paano natin pahahalagahan.
Di tayo uunlad kung lahat ng masasamang nangyayari sinisisi natin sa ibang tao.

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Re: Manila floods - who's to blame: Politicians? Squatters? ...or God?
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2009, 11:22:11 pm »
unless you're a politician, an urban planner, a corrupt DENR official, an illegal logger or a habitual garbage thrower at Pasig or Marikina, you have no fault.

let's be objective here - tayong mga kabataan,inosente tayo dito.

everyone may not be at fault but i can surely say that everyone is a victim of of the structures of sin that they have created for us.


it is when environmental/social/political abuses have become so institutionalized, have become so systematic that we treat them already as normal.

this is the inconvenient truth.


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Re: Manila floods - who's to blame: Politicians? Squatters? ...or God?
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2009, 05:03:30 pm »
kapag pinaalis mo sila pa ang galit at matapang, like sa may tulyahan river, dinidemolish na ang mga squatter dun..may namatay, siguro nakipaglaban pa..ngayon humihingi ng katarungan..hay..

ang akala kasi nila. uunlad sila dito sa manila pero mali sila. mali.. ika nga nung isang teentalker. tamo ngayon saan sila babagsak. sa probinsya din nila.

ang nakaka-irita pa. yung iba sa kanila. bine-blame yung government sa kahirapan nila. eh kung sa kumayod nalang sila para may makain sila sa araw-araw?

then siyempre, itong government. may kasalanan rin. ika nga dun sa post ni pach. yung ibang batas, batas na dapat ini-implement hindi natutupad. tapos yung batas na hindi ini-impliment. AYUN! ayun ang natutupad.... kaya ayan. result? disaster.

then siyempre. may kasalanan rin tayo..

una, tapon tayo ng tapon kung saan..... edi bumara yung mga estero. sana lang. madala na tayo sa nangyari. sana eto na yung "aha" moment na dapat maging malinis tayo. dapat disiplinado. at dapat BAGO BUMOTO, PAG-ISIPAN muna ng mga tao yung iboboto nila para naman hindi na tayo napag-iiwanan. 

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Re: Manila floods - who's to blame: Politicians? Squatters? ...or God?
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2009, 10:59:22 pm »
ALL OF US.

As in lahat talaga tayo, kahit yung simpleng pagtapon ng isang maliit na candy wrapper sa daan eh isa rin sa mga trigger ng massive floods sa mga lugar.

Kaya dapat tigilan na yang walang kwentang sisihan na yan, hindi ba sila tinatamaan? haha. Lalo na yung mga government officials na sabi eh mananagot daw ang may kasalanan sa naging pagbaha na yun...

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Re: Manila floods - who's to blame: Politicians? Squatters? ...or God?
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2009, 11:33:03 pm »
I think all we have to blame is ourselves and not drag God into it. We're not being responsible enough for our environment, we're taking it for granted. And it's getting back at us so we better get our acts straight.

AND WE SHOULD ALL USE BIODEGRADABLE PLASTIC BAGS IN GIVING OUT RELIEF GOODS. Because non-biodegradable plastic = clogging of drains = flood.

DO THE RIGHT THING =D
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Re: Manila floods - who's to blame: Politicians? Squatters? ...or God?
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2009, 11:52:14 pm »
i live in paranaque, hindi ako pulitiko, may titulo ang bahay namen at tinatapon ko basura ko sa wasto at tamang lugar, ergo, it's not my fault. but i am an indirect victim of this calamity.
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Re: Manila floods - who's to blame: Politicians? Squatters? ...or God?
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2009, 04:36:06 pm »

AND WE SHOULD ALL USE BIODEGRADABLE PLASTIC BAGS IN GIVING OUT RELIEF GOODS. Because non-biodegradable plastic = clogging of drains = flood.

DO THE RIGHT THING =D

yung brown na paperbag nalang kaya? para mas madali siyang madecompose, hahaha!  ;D
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Re: Manila floods - who's to blame: Politicians? Squatters? ...or God?
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2009, 09:36:35 pm »
isa ako sa dapat sisihin!nagtatapon ako ng basura kung saan saan.... :(...time for change :)
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Re: Manila floods - who's to blame: Politicians? Squatters? ...or God?
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2009, 10:03:45 pm »
yung brown na paperbag nalang kaya? para mas madali siyang madecompose, hahaha!  ;D
I doubt na malapit na tayo gumamit ng ganun dito sa Pilipinas. Masyado tayong nasanay sa plastik. Yan tuloy.
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