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TAGALOG vs. FILIPINO
« on: December 24, 2008, 11:43:41 AM »
I am now more confused about this than ever. At school, more specifically in my frosh year at the University, my FILIPI2 teacher taught us the difference between Tagalog and Filipino. From what "I" understood:

* Filipino is NOT an English term for Tagalog.

* Our national language is Filipino and not Tagalog.

The difference?

Tagalog was our national language, and very few actually speak this today. When you hear someone who speak actual Tagalog, you'd understand the difference between it and Filipino. Tagalog is mostly spoken at some far provincial parts of Luzon.

Filipino is our national language. It is already a hybrid of terms/languages/dialects (Tagalog, Bisaya, English, Spanish, Chinese, etc.). It is what we mostly speak now-a-days.

So, if you say "keyk" instead of "cake" they can not tell you that that is not Filipino. We've come to know what "keyk" is, so it's part of our culture, its already in our language. The most common example would probably be the "silya" which came from the Spanish language. We use it as our term for the term chair instead of Salung Pwet.

Ever since learning this, it made a lot more sense. For one, it preserves the Tagalog as it is since it is still spoken by a few. Second, it stops annoying comments such as "Hindi naman yun Tagalog talaga nun eh!" or "Ano Tagalog ng Ice Cream?" for in fact we never really developed a word for it because we already accepted the term Ice Cream or Cake into our culture.

If you disagree with what I've learned, instead of just saying "I disagree", hopefully you'd give me something else that could convince me otherwise.
« Last Edit: December 24, 2008, 02:53:45 PM by keouie »

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Re: TAGALOG vs. FILIPINO
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2008, 05:15:41 PM »
it made me confused now... heheh... ice cream - SORBETES, right? anu yun, filipino or tagalog? :D
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Re: TAGALOG vs. FILIPINO
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2008, 09:12:48 PM »
pasensya na.. pero medyo naguguluhan ako.. hehe.. lol..

it made me confused now... heheh... ice cream - SORBETES, right? anu yun, filipino or tagalog? :D

sasagutin kita.. [try] lol
Filipino siguro, kasi Sorbetes? Spanish ba yan? kaya Filipino..
kasi halo halong language yung Filipino diba? lol.XD
ayun! hehe

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Re: TAGALOG vs. FILIPINO
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2008, 10:52:48 PM »
I rarely use the term Filipino, only for formal things. Partly because I already got used to it and based from experience foreigners are more familiar with "Tagalog" than "Filipino" when it comes to the Philippine language.


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Re: TAGALOG vs. FILIPINO
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2008, 10:07:02 PM »
Yung word na Tagalog nanggaling sa word na "Taga-ilog" kasi diba dati karamihan sa mga Pilipino nakatira malapit sa ilog.Kaya pala naririnig ko rin sa iba na pag may taong nanggaling sa probinsiya sinasabing "Ah Tagalog to". Kasama na rin ba sa Tagalog yung mga malalalim na salita?

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Re: TAGALOG vs. FILIPINO
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2008, 10:33:24 PM »
my Philippine History professor taught us this one.

nung una kasi, tagalog talaga yung national language natin.kasi mostly, mas madami ang nagsasalita ng tagalog. pero naisip nila,pano naman yung mga ibang tao na iba yung dialects?like ilocano,bisaya, etc. that's why they made the term broader. so instead na tagalog,they made it FILIPINO which includes all other dialects being used by the Filipinos.
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Re: TAGALOG vs. FILIPINO
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2008, 01:42:11 PM »
Yung word na Tagalog nanggaling sa word na "Taga-ilog" kasi diba dati karamihan sa mga Pilipino nakatira malapit sa ilog.Kaya pala naririnig ko rin sa iba na pag may taong nanggaling sa probinsiya sinasabing "Ah Tagalog to". Kasama na rin ba sa Tagalog yung mga malalalim na salita?

Ah yeah, I did hear that before- that it was from "Taga-ilog" hehe.
I rarely use the term Filipino, only for formal things. Partly because I already got used to it and based from experience foreigners are more familiar with "Tagalog" than "Filipino" when it comes to the Philippine language.



Partly because Tagalog was our national language. I think it was just around 2000 that they changed it to Filipino.
pasensya na.. pero medyo naguguluhan ako.. hehe.. lol..

sasagutin kita.. [try] lol
Filipino siguro, kasi Sorbetes? Spanish ba yan? kaya Filipino..
kasi halo halong language yung Filipino diba? lol.XD
ayun! hehe

I agree, it's like Silya :)) hehe. It was spanish, El Sorbete- thus Filipino na.
my Philippine History professor taught us this one.

nung una kasi, tagalog talaga yung national language natin.kasi mostly, mas madami ang nagsasalita ng tagalog. pero naisip nila,pano naman yung mga ibang tao na iba yung dialects?like ilocano,bisaya, etc. that's why they made the term broader. so instead na tagalog,they made it FILIPINO which includes all other dialects being used by the Filipinos.
Filipino is our national language. It is already a hybrid of terms/languages/dialects (Tagalog, Bisaya, English, Spanish, Chinese, etc.). It is what we mostly speak now-a-days.





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Re: TAGALOG vs. FILIPINO
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2008, 08:14:03 PM »
gusto ko tong topic na to
ako filipino talaga yung sinasabi ko
hindi ko alam bakit basta yun alam kong tama
yung tagalog katulad lang yan ng bisaya, ilocano, ilonggo
may certain group of people na gumagamit nun
pero yung filipino ay ang pinaghalohalong wika na ginagamit sa pilipinas
yun ata yun

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Re: TAGALOG vs. FILIPINO
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2008, 11:02:36 PM »
As far as I know, our national language was Pilipino, na based lang sa tagalog, a dialect somewhere sa Luzon. After that, some groups na iba yung dialect nagalit kasi some of their letters wala sa tagalog. Kaya ayun, napagdesisyunan na Filipino na ang national language na based sa lahat na dialects sa Philippines and even some words sa english and spanish.

I'm not really sure sa lahat ng nabanggit ko cause minsan lang ako nakikinig sa class. Hehehe. Just wanna share what I know. Correct me na lang if may mali. XD

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Re: TAGALOG vs. FILIPINO
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2008, 07:26:00 PM »
ang alam ko naman about this topic, nung naglilibot  dati si Pres. Manuel Quezon sa Pilipinas kinakailangan pa nilang maghanap ng taga-salin (interpreter) para lang maintindihan niya kung ano ung mga sinasabi.Eh, bilang presidente nahiya siya na ganun ung ginagawa kaya napagdesisyonan na Filipino na ung wikang pambansa. aun.


kaya ang Filipino pinagsama-samang salita mula sa mga dayalekto ng iba't ibang pangkat sa Pilipinas.

ang Tagalog naman ay ang dayalekto ng mga rehiyong kadalasan malapit daw sa ilog. "taga-ilog."
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Re: TAGALOG vs. FILIPINO
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2008, 09:34:23 PM »
Anu-ano kayang probinsya na yung mga tao, ang gamit nila ay "Tagalog" talaga?
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Re: TAGALOG vs. FILIPINO
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2008, 10:05:02 AM »
as far as i know, ang mga tagalog speaking regions talaga ay yung CALABARZON at saka MIMAROPA


CALABARZON is a portmanteau which means Cavite, Laguna, Batangas and Quezon provinces. MIMAROPA means Mindoro, Marinduque, Romblon and Palawan.


a portmanteau, by the a way, is an amalgam of two or more words to form another single word. :))

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Re: TAGALOG vs. FILIPINO
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2008, 10:18:12 AM »
it made me confused now... heheh... ice cream - SORBETES, right? anu yun, filipino or tagalog? :D


okay, ganito yan... when we say tagalog, it only includes words which are native to the tagalog speaking peoples (CALABARZON and MIMAROPA regions) When we say Filipino, it includes all the words that have been assimilated into the Filipino language from other languages and dialects. nevertheless, filipino is still Tagalog-based.

Yung word na Sorbetes is not a tagalog word but a Spanish Preferencia. And if it's Spanish Preferencia, then it is Filipino.  it's pretty obvious it didnt come from us kasi the word for the one who peddles ice cream is called a "sorbetero". notice that the ending "ero" is common among spanish nouns, and u never find such  ending in other tagalog words.

another thing, the sorbetes is not really what it's called sorbetes.. it comes from the Spanish word "Helado" which then originated in Italian "Gelato".. kaya nga when you go to Glorietta or Greenbelt, may makikita ka dung Ice Cream stall na ang pangalan ay "gelato". yun yun. :))

now, iba naman ang sorbetes sa Sorbet. Sorbet is a type of beverage that is really made of ice and syrup, pwedeng fruit syrup or white wine etc..it is otherwise known as "sherbet" and it is not a spanish word but arabic "Sharbat"


goin back, after 2001 nagkaron ng deliberation yung SWP otherwise known as the "Suriang Wikang Pambansa" - this is the official agency that deals with the filipino language.

sabi ng SWP na ang mga assimilated words, pwede nang isalin sa Filipino by just changing the spelling without changing the pronunciation.. which means, kung ano ang basa, sya din ang sulat.

so yung ice cream, instead na tatawaging Sorbetes or Helado, "Ays Krim" nalang. ang sagwa noh? sira ulo yung nagpa uso nyan but yeah, that's how distorted our once proud and noble language is. :))


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Re: TAGALOG vs. FILIPINO
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2008, 10:53:13 AM »

okay, ganito yan... when we say tagalog, it only includes words which are native to the tagalog speaking peoples (CALABARZON and MIMAROPA regions) When we say Filipino, it includes all the words that have been assimilated into the Filipino language from other languages and dialects. nevertheless, filipino is still Tagalog-based.

Yung word na Sorbetes is not a tagalog word but a Spanish Preferencia. And if it's Spanish Preferencia, then it is Filipino.  it's pretty obvious it didnt come from us kasi the word for the one who peddles ice cream is called a "sorbetero". notice that the ending "ero" is common among spanish nouns, and u never find such  ending in other tagalog words.

another thing, the sorbetes is not really what it's called sorbetes.. it comes from the Spanish word "Helado" which then originated in Italian "Gelato".. kaya nga when you go to Glorietta or Greenbelt, may makikita ka dung Ice Cream stall na ang pangalan ay "gelato". yun yun. :))

now, iba naman ang sorbetes sa Sorbet. Sorbet is a type of beverage that is really made of ice and syrup, pwedeng fruit syrup or white wine etc..it is otherwise known as "sherbet" and it is not a spanish word but arabic "Sharbat"


goin back, after 2001 nagkaron ng deliberation yung SWP otherwise known as the "Suriang Wikang Pambansa" - this is the official agency that deals with the filipino language.

sabi ng SWP na ang mga assimilated words, pwede nang isalin sa Filipino by just changing the spelling without changing the pronunciation.. which means, kung ano ang basa, sya din ang sulat.

so yung ice cream, instead na tatawaging Sorbetes or Helado, "Ays Krim" nalang. ang sagwa noh? sira ulo yung nagpa uso nyan but yeah, that's how distorted our once proud and noble language is. :))


ahh, ganun pala un! salamat sa information. :D
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Re: TAGALOG vs. FILIPINO
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2008, 05:55:08 PM »
oh, gets ko yun..
ang tagalog ay dialect..
w/c means,, kind of Filipino language base in the definition..
am i ryt??
wahahaha..

 

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