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Author Topic: If God created everything, does this mean He also created sin?  (Read 19135 times)

Hanzo23

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Re: If God created everything, does this mean He also created sin?
« Reply #180 on: December 03, 2012, 03:58:07 AM »
mahal ka ni lord..sweet nya diba?ayiieee...
gusto mo  ng pruweba?
because at this moment,you still breathing :)[/color]

And what about the numerous people that die everyday due to accidents? God doesnt love them? I can give you dozens of video links (Graphical warning) of people dying where they never had a chance to defend themselves. Does God hate them? They sure arent breathing now.
Then out spake brave Horatius,
The Captain of the Gate:
"To every man upon this earth
Death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods."

-Thomas Babington Macaulay

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Re: If God created everything, does this mean He also created sin?
« Reply #181 on: December 03, 2012, 10:00:26 AM »
Di ako galit; natatawa nga ako tuwing nababasa ko yang mga sagot mo. Una sa lahat, ang defensive lang. Inuulit ko, yung reply mo na "kung mahal natin si Lord, wag natin sya kwestiyunin." Kung bakit may "mahal ka ni Lord" na nasasama bigla sa reply mo, di ko gets. May dahilan kung bakit di na tinuturo ang addition at subtraction sa college.

Ibinalik ko sa'yo dahil mukhang hinulaan mo na kung ano ang paniniwala ko at mukang tama ako, halata sa reply mo. Ibibigay ko na sayo ang satisfaction na manghusga ng tao na nakilala mo sa internet.

Di ko nga tinitira relihiyon mo, yung unang reply mo lang na "wag kuwestiyunin." ang problema nating dalawa. Hindi importante talaga sakin yang paniniwala mo, hindi ko sinusukat ang pagkatao mo sa kung ano mang mga bagay na pinaniniwalaan mo at hindi. Ganun din ang attitude ng Vatican, check mo.


Ang sarcastic ng tono ng reply mo no?



sarcastic ba?naku,hindi ko naisip na ganun ang magiging dating sayo...pero kung ganun talaga wala akong magagawa....
di mo pala nagets yung reply ko na" mahal ka ni lord"...well,i just want to tell you how much god loves you.. that he died on the cross to win your heart
any problem with that?tanong ko lang..do you accept his love?


and wait..hindi ako manghuhula at hindi ko kayang manghula...kaya ano yung sinasabi mong nahulaan ko na?????u still not answering my question dear :) :)


"kung mahal natin si lord,wag natin syang kuwestiyonin"
-here we go again... :) :)


kung mahal natin sya...kung naniniwala tayo sa kanya..hindi tayo magdodoubt sakanya.. limited lang ang laman ng utak natin compared sakanya...kung akala natin alam na natin lahat...nagkakamali tayo

kumbaga ang utak natin "dot" lang..ung sakanya mas malaki pa sa universe..ganun siya kagreat...powerful!ang hinihingi lang naman niya saten ay yung faith natin sakanya na...

kung saan ka ba?sakanya?o sa mundong to?

kesa kuwestiyonin mo sya..bakit hindi ka na lang magpasalamat sakanya sa lahat ng biyayang  natatanggap mo sakanya??pasalamat ka na lang sakanya..kasi nasa mabuti kang lugar ngayon..hindi ka kasama sa mga bansang may giyerahan..or watsoever...

yung bawat paghinga mo,grace sayo ni lord...lahat ng bagay na meron ka...bigay nya yun sayo..yung magandang buhay na meron ka..dahil yan sakanya..kasi espesyal ka sakanya...

kahit hindi mo sinabing gusto mu yan,binigay nya parin sayo...kasi sobrang precious mo sakanya...know that?



and hey,how about vatican???anu meron dun?soriiiiiiiiiiiii......slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww eh :P
helow!
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Re: If God created everything, does this mean He also created sin?
« Reply #182 on: December 03, 2012, 10:33:11 AM »
And what about the numerous people that die everyday due to accidents? God doesnt love them? I can give you dozens of video links (Graphical warning) of people dying where they never had a chance to defend themselves. Does God hate them? They sure arent breathing now.



may plano si lord sa ating lahat...hindi ibig sabihin na namatay tayo dahil sa aksidente ng walang kamalay malay hindi niya tayo mahal...inuulit ko may plano si lord sating lahat..minsan hindi natin alam kung ano yun at minsan din hindi natin maintindihan yun..


for example:ngayong nabubuhay ako,tinanggap ko na si jesus christ as my saviour...nabubuhay ako para sakanya...he is the center of my heart,pero panu kung naging biktima ako ng masasamang loob..at namatay ako...

diba ang unfair nga..na mamamatay ka...ng walang kalaban laban..yung mga masasamang loob jan nabubuhay pa,pero ikaw  patay na ng dahil sakanila...eh sila patong may mga evil hearts...

well,god has his own plan..if we accept him kahit mamatay tayo for an unfair reason...confident dapat tayo na hinihintay tayo ni lord sa heaven...kasi we received HIM.


hindi ibig sabihin..kapag namatay tayo...tapos na..yun na yun...HINDI!
makatarungan si lord...all just
ang judgement ay hindi nangyayari sa lupa...kundi after death.

kung ano ba ang mga mabubuti at masasamang  ginawa natin sa lupa..

kesyo may good heart tayo o may evil heart...we will all face judgement
at dun mangyayari ang katarungan.
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Re: If God created everything, does this mean He also created sin?
« Reply #183 on: December 03, 2012, 11:27:42 AM »
Wala, magkaiba talaga tayo ng pinag-uusapan. Hindi mo naman yata binabasa mga reply ko. Sayang effort ko sa pagta-type. Puro Jesus loves you lang naman sinasabi mo. Sa ibang thread ba ganyan din ang dialogue mo?

Ang di ko gets, bakit Jesus loves you lagi ang sagot mo di naman yan ang pinag-uusapan. Yan lang ba ang alam mo at kayang sabihin? Di masama yung mag-sapreach pero, husang gala. Puro yun lang? Wag ka na mag-aral. Nabasa mo na ba yang diskusyong Hanzo at Pach sa thread na to? Try mo basahin, ang ganda ng argument. Di puro "Jesus loves you" lang.

Kaya nga dapat magtanong ka. Kung dot lang ang utak mo, atleast maabot mo yung pinakamataas na kaalaman na kaya ng mortal na utak mo. Di mo sinayang yung mga oras na nasa simbahan at eskwelahan ka. Hindi mo naman maaabot talaga yung katalinuhan ng Diyos, tao ka lang. Napaka-flawed natin, kaya nga tayo tao, di Diyos.

Hindi naman sinusukat ang paniniwala sa kung sino ang hindi nagtatanong. Yun ngang mga nagtatanong pero patuloy pa din ang paniniwala, yun ang kahanga-hanga dahil sila, naiintindihan nila yung pinaniniwalaan nila. Eh yung mga di nagtatanong, ano pinaniniwalaan nila? Yun ang point ng free will sa tingin ko. Upang hindi tayo basta maniwala dahil obligado lang tayo kundi para hindi labag sa loob mo na mahalin Siya.

Alam mo bang kahit mga pari, may mga pagkakataon na nagtatanong din sila? Normal kasi yun sa tao. Ilang taon kaya nag-aaral yang mga pari! Alam na nila na mahal sila ng Diyos, pero sa tingin mo bakit nag-aaral pa sila? Redeeming quality natin yan, ang mag-asam na magtanong at umintindi.

Napaka-apathetic mo naman kung di mo papansinin yung mga may gyera dahil ligtas ka. Cruel. Kaya pala di ka santo. Oo, kailangan magpasalamat na ligtas, pero di masama na isipin ang kalagayan nila. Selfish yung wapakels ka sa iba.

Yung Vatican di mo alam? Tinanggap na ng Vatican na hindi lang mga Kristiyano ang may ticket sa heaven. Kahit anong paniniwala mo, kung mabuti naman ang gawain mo, Heaven punta mo.

Plano ni Lord na may mga inosenteng baby na namamatay kakapanganak palang? Plano ni Lord na may nare-rape? Pinapatay? Tino-torture? Hindi diba?
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Re: If God created everything, does this mean He also created sin?
« Reply #184 on: December 03, 2012, 01:23:19 PM »
Not all accidents happen just because some person did harm to you. Natural calamities kill people every year too and that is not caused by any living creature. So who do we blame? God?

Here's the simple basis of this, I normally cite resources as well to answer the thread topic

King James Bible version

Isaiah 45:7
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

Please see the passage above. That should clearly explain why there is an atmosphere of indifference when bad things happen to good people.

Here's the double standard when people are blinded by religion and faith. When good things happen to good people, you can easily say "God loves the world!" Yet, when people suffer, which they do now as you read this, a more defensive "God has a plan for everyone".

Oh really? Have you ever taken a walk inside the children's cancer hospital? Innocent children, born with a disease they never caused, only to die a short time after. Where is the plan in that? Should there be a God, it only falls into two categories.

1. He is not omnipotent, he cannot change the fate of these children.
2. He is omnipotent, and he is also malevolent. He has the power to change the fate of these children, yet chooses not to do it.

What I do here is not to convert people to anything. I encourage people to think and not follow just what has been indoctrinated to them. Only by opening the mind and asking the most difficult questions will we realize what is true.

What I despise about some sects of faith is that they teach the "Sunday school" version of the bible. Some say "We are Christians and we only follow the New Testament." Oh really? The ten commandments are in the old testament, along with the other laws and divine inspired commands such as stone and kill unruly children. This is the true hypocrisy of the Christian/Catholic faith. People cherry-pick what they want to believe as they see it fit and as how society sees that it is acceptable.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2012, 01:29:48 PM by Hanzo23 »
Then out spake brave Horatius,
The Captain of the Gate:
"To every man upon this earth
Death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods."

-Thomas Babington Macaulay

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Re: If God created everything, does this mean He also created sin?
« Reply #185 on: December 03, 2012, 08:31:59 PM »
Maiwan na kita jecy! Good luck! Wala nang lugar para sa mababaw na argumento natin tungkol sa linguistics sa thread na ito. :P
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Re: If God created everything, does this mean He also created sin?
« Reply #186 on: December 07, 2012, 12:15:34 AM »
http://youtu.be/z3wwWFsSlNQ

try watching this...
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Re: If God created everything, does this mean He also created sin?
« Reply #187 on: December 07, 2012, 03:03:26 AM »
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A logical question should not be given an emotional response. People blinded by faith tend to block that portion of their knowledge from any logical question.
Then out spake brave Horatius,
The Captain of the Gate:
"To every man upon this earth
Death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his Gods."

-Thomas Babington Macaulay

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Re: If God created everything, does this mean He also created sin?
« Reply #188 on: December 08, 2012, 08:51:06 PM »
bahala na po kayo..kung anu man ang mga paniniwala nyo..pero sana matagpuan nyo sa mga puso nyo ang pagmamahal ni lord para senyo...
helow!
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